JB, every time I hear you talk about the 1A playoffs on the radio you make it seem like it is done the same way as the 4A playoffs in that teams become eligible and then are split up into the two divisions. In 1A, it is already predetermined who is in division I and who is in division II. For example, Williston-Elko is definitely in division II. Also, even though Blackville-Hilda and Williston-Elko are in the same region, Blackville will be in the lower state for the playoffs.
HKT is also better than you are giving them credit for. They will upset someone in the playoffs.
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I think the only thing I say about 1A playoffs is that it is split into two divisions, which is something I don't agree with (for any of the classes). I know they are predetermined. I still say we should just have four classifications for the playoffs.
As for the 1A brackets, I think they should look at doing cross bracketing to ensure a shot at the best possible match up for the finals. I know it would require some kind of points system, but I think we'd bet a better product on the field.
As for HKT, I think they proved this week(in the second half) they are a dangerous team. I don't think they will go deep, but I do think they could certainly be a spoiler for someone.
Posted on 10/5 7:13 PM | IP: Logged
i'm in favor or 5 classifications with one champion each. darn this split division crap!
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I don't like the split in 1-A.But it do give the big 1-A school a chance to win a state champion,because most of them was a nobody in 2-A football.Bamberg,Calhoun-County,Allendale-Fairfax was finishing 3or 4 in their region.JB i disagree on that H-K-T NOT GOING DEEP IN THE PLAYOFF,I THINK H-K-T WILL BE THE CINDERALLA THIS YEAR.
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Jlove, I think you erred in your take on classifications just like you, in error, thought HKT was going to beat Williston... It is all about the school enrollment numbers in classifications and divisions. Is it fair for HKT with about 200 kids to have to compete in the same playoffs as Chesterfield that is pushing 600 kids???? I agree it makes for some watered down games in the first rounds of the playoffs but you are talking about a huge disparity in enrollments. Same thing with Bamberg, Calhoun, and Allendale when they were the smallest schools in 2A, they were playing schools like Silver Bluff with twice the enrollments meaning twice the size talent pool to draw from! And I know BE, CC, and AF did compete... maybe not a consistently as now, and BE won a State Championship in '90!
This post was edited on 10/6 1:36 PM by elcid912001
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I think it would interesting to see the breakdown of what classifications teams would be in "if" we had 5 classifications.
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Elcid just because i said H-K-T was going to be W-E, Don't mean i don't know what i'm talking about.i do know the enrollment decide what classification.3 years ago H-K-T was in D-I,because we use 2 player from Branchville,they didn't have football program at the time.As for you Elcid you haven't predict your'll high school to win and they lose, do that mean you don't know what you talking about.chesterfield has 477 students compare to H-K-T 344.Get your number right before you say somebody don't know what they talking about.Fair, ask Blackville-Hilda if it fair when they beat Calhoun county in the state 2005.You haven't seen H-K-T play and passing judgement by what happen in the pass.who is your school?
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He pulls for Chesterfield...so no...HKT can't beat them either. Also, will you talk about this weeks game against Blackville and what you think HKT will do to try to pull off the upset?
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You are off again... At the end of school year 08/09, HKT had 198 students to Chesterfield's 569 students in their 135 ADM numbers used to set up the new classifications!!!!
This is all the schools in 1A and their ranking in student # in accordance with a post on Rivals... 145 Burke 577 146 Blacksburg 577 147 Ridgeland 573 148 Chesterfield 569 149 Abbeville 554 150 North Central 544 151 Landrum 496 152 Carvers Bay 483 153 Calhoun County 474 154 Ninety-Six 472 155 Bamberg-Ehrhardt 461 156 Latta 457 157 C. A. Johnson 456 158 Hemingway 441 159 Allendale-Fairfax 433 160 Johnsonville 427 161 Greenville Tech Charter 420 162 Lewisville 418 163 Baptist Hill 400 164 East Clarendon 400 165 Estill 396 166 St. John's 377 167 Hannah-Pamplico 372 168 Green Sea-Floyds 365 169 Ware Shoals 359 170 Wagener-Salley 337 171 C. E. Murray 329 172 McBee 322 173 Lamar 317 174 Dixie 314 175 Williston-Elko 313 176 Southside Christian 312 177 Great Falls 310 178 Scott's Branch 309 179 Fox Creek 306 180 Hardeeville 306 181 Christ Church 299 182 Ridge Spring-Monetta 286 183 Brashier Middle College Charter 277 184 Timmonsville 275 185 Denmark-Olar 270 186 Lake View 268 187 Cross 262 188 Military Magnet 259 189 McCormick 257 190 Blackville-Hilda 248 191 Bethune-Bowman 230 192 Creek Bridge 224 193 Hunter-Kinard-Tyler 198 194 Branchville 191 195 North 180 196 Tamassee-Salem 176 197 Lincoln 152 198 Whale Branch 150 199 Whitmire 144 200 Calhoun Falls 134 201 Governorís School Arts 100 202 Governorís School Math 100 203 SCSDB 70 204 Charleston Math & Science Charter 56
and my team is 6 and 0!!!
This post was edited on 10/6 2:01 PM by elcid912001
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I agree that there needs to be a 5 class system. 1A keeps getting dumped on as more and more of these new schools open up. The unfair student enrollment advantage that a bunch of these 2A-lite schools have is going to eventually trickle down to other sports besides football. Just look at the past few years in baseball-the better teams, besides Lake View, have been Landrum, Chesterfield, Bamberg, Johnsonville-schools with large numbers.
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Posted on 10/7 8:49 PM | IP: Logged
But the SCHSL does not use the numbers from the National Center for Education Statistics to set up their classifications but the numbers from the 135 day enrollments which is what I posted.
And the two division systems in 4A and 1A is the only way to address the huge disparity in enrollments at the upper end and lower ends of the classes.
Yogi, BH and WE do not have problems competing in football with the larger 1A teams why in baseball??? It has to do with commitment to the program and not numbers at this level. Calhoun County is a prime example, they dominate in Basketball, are regular contenders in football, but can't compete in baseball!
This post was edited on 10/8 8:21 AM by elcid912001
I don't have a dog in this fight my kids go to private school but th same applies.
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Why not have a true 6-A division instead of 2 @ 1A and 2@ 4A.
Posted on 10/8 8:26 PM | IP: Logged
jlove that data is old. There are less than 200 kids at HKT in the high school (9-12) this year. That data most likely is including the middle school (another 94 or so kids) as well. However, the data is still old. It says there are 33.6 teachers. There are only 25.5 of us this year. (Gotta love the economy.)
About the brackets though... I guess I understand that it makes a difference because the size of the talent pool is smaller but all the schools have the have the same number of kids on the field. It just so happens that our team makes up a much larger percentage of the entire student body.
I am not claiming to understand the bracket thing at all, so my question is; is it only based on school population size? There aren't any other contributing factors?